ojabenji2004
11:12:26 hello how u doing can we chat?

Andrei Freeman
11:12:46 Hello, sure

ojabenji2004
11:12:53 how u doing
11:13:10 ?

Andrei Freeman
11:13:29 I am doing well. And yourself?
11:14:53 Hello?

ojabenji2004
11:15:12 how u doing

Andrei Freeman
11:15:24 I am still doing well... And you?

ojabenji2004
11:15:42 am alright
11:15:48 so what ur name?
11:15:53 am Janet

By this point, I've decided to check out user: ojabenji2004
If her stats are no longer there what I saw was as follows:

  • Yahoo! ID: ojabenji2004
  • RealÊName: JANET
  • Nickname: BABY
  • Location: LONDON CITY
  • Age: 27
  • MaritalÊStatus: Single
  • Gender: Female
  • Occupation: MANAGER
  • Member Since: 08/17/2004
  • Last Updated: 03/22/2005
Andrei Freeman
11:16:09 I'm Andrei.

ojabenji2004
11:17:10 nice to meet u Andrei

Andrei Freeman
11:17:11 So, may I ask how you came across my Yahoo IM?

ojabenji2004
11:17:20 so what u do for a living
11:17:25 from yahoo search

Andrei Freeman
11:17:35 What were you searching for when I came up :?)

ojabenji2004
11:17:57 just general search and i select u

Andrei Freeman
11:18:05 I'm honoured

ojabenji2004
11:19:27 yeah
11:19:30 so what u do for a living
11:19:32 ???

Andrei Freeman
11:19:49 I write computer software. Macintosh primarily. And yourself?

ojabenji2004
11:20:17 well i manage my dad's company here in uk ,we supply raw materials for clothen companie

Andrei Freeman
11:20:30 That's very impressive.
11:20:43 I am a corporate wage-slave

ojabenji2004
11:20:55 how?
11:21:45 Buzz!!

Andrei Freeman
11:22:01 Buzz?
11:22:26 I work for a major corporation. I don't really get alot of say in our day-to-day operations

ojabenji2004
11:24:56 why?

Andrei Freeman
11:25:16 Just the role of my job. Very low on the food chain here. Though a theoretically valuable position

ojabenji2004
11:26:46 well i have a better offer for working i can offer u from my company

Well, that was sudden. Can you say phasers set on suspicious? Thought so.

Andrei Freeman
11:27:06 Oh?

ojabenji2004
11:28:41 yeah
11:28:46 do u wish

Andrei Freeman
11:29:01 What kind of positions would you have available?

ojabenji2004
11:29:02 i can explain
11:29:16 u will be our rep there in finicial aspect
11:29:22 and u need to be very faithful
11:29:33 well actually i need a representative in the states,who can be working for me actually i make alots of supplies to some of our clients in the states which i do come to the states to recieve payment after i supply them our raw materials
11:30:32 so i realize that its quite too expensive and stressful for me to be coming to the states to recieve such payment twice in a month

Andrei Freeman
11:30:33 Go ahead, Still listening

ojabenji2004
11:31:03 cos most of the payment i usually recieve is paid by cashier's check which is 5,200 dollars and i shall be paying you with 10% for doing this
11:31:41 cos all you need to do is to recieve payment on my behalf and then cash it and you will remove 10% for yourself and then send the rest down to my company

Okay, this sounds like money laundering already. But it smacks of other scam potential that I think I've heard of. I try to pull more information out to get all the specific details...

Andrei Freeman
11:32:32 So, you send raw materials. They pay you and your local representative keeps 10%

ojabenji2004
11:33:00 YEAH

Andrei Freeman
11:33:13 Can you explain the raw materials?

ojabenji2004
11:33:21 and you dont have to go any lenght to pick the payment,cos i will instruct my client to make the payment out to you and it will be mailed out to you via federal express
11:33:30 yeah it cotten for clothen
11:34:23 Buzz!!

Andrei Freeman
11:34:33 Yes, reading. I may take a moment to respond
11:34:55 These are all established accounts already?

ojabenji2004
11:35:15 u mean what?

Andrei Freeman
11:35:35 these are people you've already been doing business with. You are just looking for regional represntatives

ojabenji2004
11:35:57 yeah
11:36:05 and i have made supply already

Andrei Freeman
11:36:50 So apart from forwarding checks...what responsibilities are there?

ojabenji2004
11:37:05 no responsiblity
11:37:43 all u need to be doing is cashing the payment check at ur bank and remove ur 10% and send the rest that all

Andrei Freeman
11:38:49 one moment. BRB coworker

So obviously I go to google. The terms are: scam, "Cashiers check" ,"10%".

It turns out that the current scam (mostly Nigerian) is to fed ex a cashier's check to the dup. This check is either for payment of service plus overage or payment of product with overage. The Dup is asked to cash the cashier's check. Because it's a cashier's check the bank should just cash if for them. The dup should then use the money to either return the overage, use the overage for shipping, or the overage is the dup's take of the processing and the rest should be sent along to the con.

The problem occurs when the forged not really a cashier's check bonuces 1-3 weeks after this has all occurred. The person who cashed the check is liable for the money if the check goes rogue. Which these will. So here's the short form in 2 cases.

John sells a car online. It's worth $20000. Someone overseas sends a cashier's check for $25000. Insists that he's doing this to process the sale as quickly as possible. John cashes the check. He now has $25G in either cash or in his acct. He goes to the car shipper. The car shipper charges him $3K to ship the car. John sold his car and has $2K for the process. A week later. The check manifests as worthless. John now owe's his bank $25G, owes the car shipper $3K and if it was in his acct, the extra $2K is gone. By the way, the crook has his car.

Jerry is looking for a job. Someone online hires him as a regional representative. His job is to process payments. He receives cashier's checks, cashes them, and then sends the amount upstream withholding 10% as the processing fee. You can already see where this one is going.


Now, many banks have now instituted what seem like rather drastic rules to prevent this. Most major banks will not allow you to draw off a large cashier's check drawn off another bank for 1-2 weeks until they have had a chance to run a check on it. It's sort of reduced the effectivenes of cashier's checks (and having run into this problem with a legitimate one, it makes far more sense). Unfortunately, several banks have not instituted these protections. Thus the problem.

So, let's see if this one fits the profile we now have


ojabenji2004
11:39:15 ok

Andrei Freeman
11:40:07 What is the turn around time expected for processing the checks. From the time I receive them, when do you need the money forwarded to you?

ojabenji2004
11:40:29 sameday u get the check
11:40:41 it will be cashier check so u can cash it sameday

Well, that was easy

Andrei Freeman
11:42:27 Have you had any problems with checks going bad (not being honoured)?

ojabenji2004
11:42:43 i have never had such b4
11:42:50 since 5years in bussines
11:43:02 and our company have been for more than 15years

Andrei Freeman
11:43:16 Is there information about your company on the net so I can learn more?

ojabenji2004
11:43:45 no but i can let u have the company name address and phone number

Andrei Freeman
11:44:01 Certainly.

ojabenji2004
11:44:07 we are still looking forward to open a webpage as soon as i get to state
11:44:14 maybe u can assit on that too

Andrei Freeman
11:44:34 I actually manage web sites and the like. Maybe I can set you folks up with server capabilities

The purpose of this is to convince them that I am a dup and to try to make them think that they've got an inroad. By offering them seemingly unwitting further services to help their scam, they open up. This is a common practice in Spam/Scam baiting. See 419-Eater for more information.

ojabenji2004
11:45:04 that great

Andrei Freeman
11:45:19 So what is the company name, address, and phone number?

ojabenji2004
11:45:38 I AM GIVEN THE COMPANY'S NAME
11:45:39 I AM GIVEN THE COMPANY'S ADDRESS,Liverpool,POST CODE HIDDEN
11:45:46 I AM GIVEN THE COMPANY'S PHONE NUMBER

Andrei Freeman
11:46:06 Thanks. One moment... co worker

ojabenji2004
11:46:15 ok

Andrei Freeman
11:48:20 I need to run off for a while. I'll be back in about 2 hrs. Will you still be around?

ojabenji2004
11:48:29 no
11:48:33 can i have ur info
11:48:37 ur full name

Andrei Freeman
11:48:43 ONe moment

ojabenji2004
11:48:48 address where the check will be mail to
11:48:58 and ur phone number mobile and home

Andrei Freeman
11:49:10 Well, I need to check with something before I commit to it. And busy at the office

ojabenji2004
11:49:32 also try and open a Bank of America account today for me
11:49:42 pls
11:49:53 u there?
11:50:00 can u do that for me today?

Andrei Freeman
11:50:01 I will email you the details. Where can I email you?

ojabenji2004
11:50:14 ojabenji2005@yahoo.com

Andrei Freeman
11:50:22 Got it. I'll email you later in the day.

ojabenji2004
11:50:22 u mean the details of what?
11:50:30 u mean the details of what?

Andrei Freeman
11:50:39 Relevant contact info, results of bank inquiry

ojabenji2004
11:50:58 pls open the accout today ok maybe saving account

Andrei Freeman
11:51:02 Gotta run to a meeting.

ojabenji2004
11:51:07 Buzz!!
11:51:09 wait

Andrei Freeman
11:51:11 k
11:51:25 yes?

ojabenji2004
11:51:26 email me back the account number,routing number,bank address
11:51:41 ur full name u use in opening the account

Andrei Freeman
11:51:45 I won't be able to get to the bank for a few hours at least. But will mail all that is relevant

ojabenji2004
11:51:52 and the bank address
11:52:06 when will u get there
11:52:07 ?

Andrei Freeman
11:52:27 As I said a few hours. I have to get to my meeting now. If I'm not late I should be able to get to the bank before it closes.

ojabenji2004
11:52:29 do u know bank of american there?

Andrei Freeman
11:52:45 Oh, yes. They are very prevelant

ojabenji2004
11:52:53 pls try and do so and email me the info i ask including the bank address
11:53:09 and ur own address and phone number ok
11:53:24 Andrei it a pleasure meeting u

Andrei Freeman
11:53:26 Everything you need will be sent

ojabenji2004
11:53:29 wish to see u soonest
11:53:38 alright that i apriciate that

Andrei Freeman
11:53:39 And it's been interesting meeting you too.

ojabenji2004
11:53:45 and pls make this btw us
11:53:53 i dont like publicity alright

Andrei Freeman
11:54:01 No one who doesn't need to know will ever hear a word of this

ojabenji2004
11:54:13 ojabenji2005@yahoo.com
11:54:29 that my email keep that correct i will be looking up for ur email later
11:54:31 ok
11:54:47 alright good

Andrei Freeman
11:54:52 Talk to you soon

ojabenji2004
11:55:02 alright and have a nice day out there
11:55:27 (flower image)

So, by the time it was done she'd asked for my: full name, address, phone number, email, and a BoA savings account in my name, with me emailing her with the routing and account numbers. This would be for the purpose of me cashing cashier's checks immediately and sending the cash.

I've compiled this information and experience partially as a warning, but also as a filing to the Federal Trade Commission and the Secret Service. These are the two US agencies that process this form of trade scam. All in a day's work.


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